Permanent link to this article:


Skip to comment form

    • Nick Nisbet on 21 January 2020 at 9:58 am

    Would such an exchange mechanism destroy the legally acceptable secured narrative, which, since the Heathrow Tunnel Collapse, been the primary function of a DMS, and more recently a CDE??

    1. Good question, Nick. I will relay it to the Technology Group. Had some related points raised regarding data governance too (could be addressed during discussion of guidance regarding BS EN ISO 19650-5, maybe). – Paul

    • Nicholas Nisbet on 21 January 2020 at 5:39 pm

    “ CDE’s don’t work. I had seven in use in my last project and it still didn’t work”

    Less is more, fewer is purer?

    1. I am sure vendors would love everyone to settle on one ‘CDE’ (whether that is a single platform or an ecosystem of partner applications), but after 20 years of extranet/CDE use, we have yet to see users ‘vote with their feet’ towards a single preferred system. Where is the compelling user interface/experience (UI/UX) that becomes the de facto market leader? Will it take an iteration beyond document management to seamless ‘information container’ management (or something elese)?

        • Nicholas Nisbet on 21 January 2020 at 8:04 pm

        The compelling user experience could be being on the wrong end of a Construction Court decision. This is not toothpaste!

        1. 🙂 It is serious stuff, indeed, but we still don’t (yet) have a reliable way, in a multi-CDE, post-Grenfell world, to create a legally robust audit trail of who did what and when, and using what information. That, surely, has to be the objective….?

    • John Ford on 27 January 2020 at 6:20 pm

    I think we need to be careful what terms we selectively use when we talk about this. What it sounds like your talking about is DMS not CDE, and that the “7” DMS failed, probably because they were not a CDE (process that integrated the management process with the facilitating tools)
    So its not that the CDE failed, it was that their was no clear CDE, because it is very difficult to develop an indepth process for each information stream when multi solutions enter a single stream.
    They can work, its been proven and is proven daily when correctly implemented and managed. Many solutions / DMS however can be broke, either because they dont support the CDE properly or were not implemented correctly.
    Amount of times I find someone blaming the CDE or a DMS specifically because things take too long to sign off, get lost or getting info from A to H is too intense, but you find the processes and administration terribly thought out and unmanaged.
    Amount of examples I can provide of good and bad practice

    1. Thanks, John. I would really value your expert input on this area (off the record, in my capacity as chair of the Alliance’s Technology Group). The terminology is definitely a difficult area, and prone to potential abuse. Let’s take this offline and have a chat, please!

        • John Ford on 29 January 2020 at 1:02 pm

        Sounds good Paul. You have my email I believe.

Comments have been disabled.